Metafilter Podcast, Episode 112: "FUCK ALL THE REST OF THE LETTERS" (2016-01-06)

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Jingle:
(theme song)
cortex:
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Best of the Web, the Metafilter monthly podcast. This is episode 112, the first episode of the new year -
cortex:
- 2016. I am Josh Millard, aka cortex.
jessamyn:
And I'm Jessamyn!
not_on_display:
And I'm Jim, aka not_on_display.
churl:
And I'm Jesse, aka churl.
cortex:
That's right, *four* people! We're doing four people, which is insane. We've never done it before, I don't think.
jessamyn:
We must've.
cortex:
Probably. But who's gonna check? So we've never done it before!
jessamyn:
Never before in 2016!
cortex:
Yes.
(general laughter)
There's four of us -
cortex:
- it's January 4th, it's episode 112; 1 plus 1 plus 2 is 4... it's kismet, is what it is.
jessamyn:
Look how quick on your feet you are.
cortex:
You know, I've had a whole day to...
jessamyn:
And in Base 3, it's 11011.
not_on_display:
Aaaah, my head's exploding.
cortex:
Which is four ones. And it's a palindrome, so now it's episode 111 again. So we've gone back in time. Happy 2015!
jessamyn:
Woooo!
cortex:
Yes! So we were talking -
cortex:
- about having people on, and we decided to have two people on at once. So we've got not_on_display, longtime MeFite and also Jessamyn's sweetiepie.
jessamyn:
Sweetiepie.
cortex:
Is it okay if I say 'sweetiepie'?
jessamyn:
Sweetiepie's fine.
cortex:
Okay. And then we have Jesse, who is churl, longtime MeFite.
jessamyn:
Josh's podcast sweetie.
churl:
Yeah, we don't kiss that much anymore though.
jessamyn:
It's like you've got a work husband, you know, and you've got like a podcast brother and kid brother -
- one of them's Griphus and one of them's Jesse and I don't know which is which.
cortex:
Yeah I'm not sure either. But yeah Jesse and I podcast on a show we do called The Crapshoot that we occasionally put out, where we drink beer and podcast. So it works out well.
churl:
Yeah, imagine a show even less formal than this one.
not_on_display:
And me and Jesse just watch TV together.
cortex:
(Laughs) Yeah I'm afraid the tone of that is just going to creep into this as a result of your presence here.
jessamyn:
Are you drinking beer? Are any of you -
jessamyn:
- drinking beer?
cortex:
I am dipping into a beer! I am dipping into a Dead Guy Ale right now.
jessamyn:
Oh, those are great! That's one of my favorite beers, from the Newport brewery.
cortex:
Yeah, Rogue.
churl:
I normally would be. I'm taking two weeks off, to start off the new year.
cortex:
Good for you.
jessamyn:
Hey, congratulations.
churl:
So, drinkin' water.
jessamyn:
Hey, I got this habit app. Because I'm gonna floss this year, or at least I have for five days in a row.
cortex:
That's a good start.
jessamyn:
And I got this app that Metafilter recommended me called HabitBull, which is awesome except the splash screen -- every time you launch the app it's got this girl in these, like, -
- tight leggings who's just climbed a mountain.
not_on_display:
Why the hell is she flossing?
jessamyn:
See I don't think she is, is my thing. And so now I'm mad at her.
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
She's a jerk.
jessamyn:
And so that fuels my -- I actually tweeted the company, and was like, "I'd like a splash screen that was a little more neutral and not this, like, tight-abs chick showing her behind to me like a baboon."
churl:
Right, like, yoga-clipart thing.
jessamyn:
(Sighs) She's probably somebody's girlfriend, right?
churl:
Oh, is it -
- a photo, it's not an illustration?
jessamyn:
Yeah, it's a photo. I'm okay with illustrations. This is like, a literal woman.
churl:
I'm pretty fussy. I mean, I'll delete an app off my phone just because I don't like the color of the icon.
jessamyn:
Oh, me too. Me too.
churl:
And I get sick of looking at it and stuff. I mean there's gonna be a million things that are going to be 99% the same, so... why live with the wrong color icon, I guess.
jessamyn:
Why live with this lady's butt. Well I keep thinking maybe I can browbeat those guys into changing it. Maybe.
cortex:
I think you should give it a shot.
jessamyn:
I did.
cortex:
Oh, excellent.
jessamyn:
We'll see. They're probably tweetin' me back right now.
cortex:
So the beating of the brow has begun. It's whether it's effective, at this point.
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
Well, alright.
jessamyn:
I mean, it's kinda weird, right? You see people, like, making an app and like you've got twenty times as many followers as they have, and you feel like that should count for something on Twitter, but maybe it does, but maybe it doesn't, I don't know.
not_on_display:
I have like fifteen followers, I think.
jessamyn:
(Laughs) To be fair, you haven't tried to get more than fifteen followers.
not_on_display:
That's true. I've gotta... work the crowd.
jessamyn:
Work the crowd. Hey, well, your username -- you can tell people on the podcast. You can follow Jim on Twitter.
not_on_display:
@not_on_display
jessamyn:
not-underscore-on-underscore-display. Right?
not_on_display:
That is correct.
jessamyn:
That is correct!
not_on_display:
You've known me for almost eight years and you've finally got it down.
jessamyn:
Shut up, how long have you been on Twitter?
not_on_display:
Uh, probably eight years but I think I've made eight, Twitters, eight tweets...
jessamyn:
They're called *tweets*.
not_on_display:
Yep, see. Ugggh, you kids.
(general laughter)
jessamyn:
So! 112.
cortex:
Jessamyn, can you tell us something about the number 112?
jessamyn:
There's not really much to recommend 112. Although; it's six prime numbers added together, six consecutive primes, so between 11 and 29, you add up all those primes and you get 112.
cortex:
Oh, nice.
jessamyn:
But it's also the number of pounds in a British long hundredweight. Which makes no sense at all, because a hundredweight should be a *hundred* pounds.
cortex:
You'd think!
jessamyn:
But a long hundredweight, which is eight stone, is 112 pounds.
not_on_display:
Huh.
jessamyn:
So I guess that's interesting. For some reason. But other than that, I was... you know, the 112 entry is short. It's really short.
cortex:
It feels like it's been kind of a downturn on the number facts ever since we cleared three digits. It was exciting for a couple of them because like, woo, three digits.
jessamyn:
Right, 111 -- I kinda like that!
cortex:
Yeah that was nice.
not_on_display:
Oh, what happened in the year AD 112? That's what I'm looking for.
jessamyn:
Oh, see, that's a smart idea. CXII, it was a leap year that started on Thursday... at the time it was known as the Year of the Consulship of Traianus and Cornelius.
not_on_display:
Ooh. Heh, Cornelius.
jessamyn:
Corneilus. Part of the Roman Empire, Hadrian succeeded Gaius Julius Ce-shusha-shusher as the argerbadar malarkin I don't even know.
not_on_display:
Or whatever.
(general laughter)
jessamyn:
Pliny the Younger maybe died.
not_on_display:
I'm interested in the history of the palarkin-farkin...!
jessamyn:
(laughs) Yeah I don't even know. CXII. I'm gonna have to start looking for years, though, that's a good idea. Moving on...
cortex:
It's a good angle.
jessamyn:
Yeah!
cortex:
Alright, should we talk about Metafilter stuff? I guess, we usually talk about Jobs, and I'm usually like, 'Ehhhh, there's some jobs...' but we do have, like, one *notable* job post this month, which is Metafilter posted a job post!
cortex:
And we went and hired a person! So that worked out very well.
jessamyn:
Wait, did you guys post it and then take it down? Because you filled it?
cortex:
Yeah I filled it. Well, you know what happened is, uh...
jessamyn:
I do not.
cortex:
I hadn't set it to filled, and as a result we got a couple late applications, and I felt terrible! I was like, 'OH NO,' people, I mean, by now you *probably* know, but...
jessamyn:
You probably should feel a little terrible.
cortex:
Yeah, so, yeah, [?I feel culpable?].
not_on_display:
"We'll put your resume on file."
cortex:
Yeah, but when they're filled...
jessamyn:
That's what we told people last time. Did we?
cortex:
Yeah!
jessamyn:
Really?
cortex:
We did! I mean, I didn't delete my emails.
(general laughter)
We didn't ask for resumes last time. So I mean, anyone who sent us a resume specifically was probably overachieving at the time. But you know, I have everybody's applications from three years ago. And I've got everybody's applications for this year.
jessamyn:
Got it.
cortex:
But no, if it's not deleted then they'd still see it, but since we have it marked 'filed' it doesn't show up, because we don't want to tease people with -
like a, "Here's a job you can apply for, except you won't get it because we already hired someone." So it's a catch-22 there, you can't go easily browsing for the old job post, you have to do a little digging through Metatalk.
jessamyn:
Interesting -- I guess I'm surprised they don't show as greyed-out or something like that. But I guess that makes sense.
cortex:
Yeah. I mean, we could think about it, but at that point it's not something where we're like, "ooh, I need to know what jobs aren't available," so utility says, eh, just hide it.
jessamyn:
Yeah, good point.
cortex:
Whaddaya do. But anyway, we did that, and we are bringing on -
- Eyebrows McGee!
jessamyn:
Very exciting! And that was fast, too! You know, I wasn't even -- I hadn't even started, you know, giving you lots of helpful suggestions!
(general laughter)
cortex:
Well, and it's funny 'cause we had such specific requirements this time, for timing, too... that, like, suggestions are great but like, "suggest someone who you know for a fact wants to work both days every weekend in perpetuity, and is also available for random scheduling..."
jessamyn:
Which, to be fair, is why I didn't consider it.
(general laughter)
cortex:
Which is understandable!
jessamyn:
Sure!
cortex:
That either is something that works for you, or it doesn't, and if it doesn't, *god* that would not work.
jessamyn:
It really doesn't. Also, yeah, 10 AM...
not_on_display:
I can imagine a lot of negative, like, "whatever you do, don't hire *that* one!"
cortex:
(laughs)
jessamyn:
We actually spent a lot of time backchannel -- I do that all the time, I email and I'm like, don't you dare. Don't you dare hire that person. And Josh is like, oh my god, we totally won't.
But it feels bad to even talk at that level about it, because...
cortex:
Well, and you know, the thing is, all we had to do is *hire* one person. We didn't have to proactively not-hire several other people or anything. So it's like, okay.
churl:
Right.
jessamyn:
Right. Everybody got not-hired except Eyebrows.
cortex:
Yeah.
churl:
How many people applied?
cortex:
It was... a couple dozen? Thirty? Somewhere in there?
churl:
Oh, okay.
jessamyn:
Wow, that's a lot.
cortex:
Yeah. For a 'hey, come work on weekends part-time,' in particular, that was really nice.
So yeah, we had a bunch of good folks to choose from, and narrowed it down, and Eyebrows McGee just ended up being a really great fit on basically all fronts! So she's actually going to start shadowing us later this week and learning the ropes.
jessamyn:
Great!
not_on_display:
Joy!
cortex:
And we got that old - Jessamyn, do you remember that new moderator document you wrote up like three years ago when we were having LobsterMitten and goodnewsfortheinsane?
jessamyn:
Of course.
cortex:
Well, we took that and we've been giving that a pass and we're going to... it's been weird going through that and updating it to, like, well, all of these roles no longer really apply in the same way and two or three of these people are not there anymore--
jessamyn:
(laughs)
not_on_display:
(chuckles)
cortex:
It took some re-writing.
jessamyn:
Sure.
cortex:
But it was nice to have that. And it's got such a you tone to it, it was fun just sort of reading through, it was like, yes, this is extremely something Jessamyn wrote, so.
jessamyn:
Yay! Cool!
cortex:
So that was keen. So a legacy [ˈlɛɪgəsi] coming forward from there.
jessamyn:
Legacy [ˈlɛɪgəsi].
not_on_display:
There's no longer a role where you have to go and update the Metafilter MySpace or anything like that.
cortex-and-chirl:
(chuckle)
cortex:
To the extent that there is that, that's... yeah, yeah.
churl:
Well, this is really funny, because... this is how I know my temporal chronology is all mixed up right now. I didn't even know that this was going to be the month that we talked about the hiring the new mod. Congratulations to Eyebrows McGee -- Laura, right?
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Yeah!
churl:
Because two episodes ago she was the guest, and I just got so jumbled up I assumed that was like the, Welcome On Board Eyebrows McGee episode...
cortex-and-not_on_display:
(chuckles)
jessamyn:
Oh, God, I forgot about that!
cortex:
Yeah, no.
jessamyn:
That's so bad. I'm so bad.
cortex:
It's okay. I'm sure there's other... anybody who's conspiracy-theorying that the trick is to be on the podcast and then you get hired shortly thereafter, that only worked for me and for Eyebrows McGee, so it's clearly not--
jessamyn:
(laughs)
not_on_display:
(chuckles)
cortex:
--an actual rule.
churl:
Oh, goddammit.
jessamyn:
Look out, Jim and Jesse.
not_on_display-and-cortex:
(chuckle)
churl:
Eyebrows McGee didn't even write a theme song for the episode, though, so.
cortex:
Yeah, no, seriously.
not_on_display:
I mean, really, why I am even here?
churl:
That can't be the way in.
cortex:
(chuckles)
churl:
I really liked going back and listening to that episode, because before recording this episode, I was like, "You know what, I should probably jump back and just remember how guests
work on the Metafilter podcast."
jessamyn:
(laughs)
churl:
So I went back and in the first ten seconds, Laura's like, "So I decided to listen back to some older episodes so I could remember what guests were supposed to sound like--"
jessamyn:
Aaaah!
jessamyn-and-cortex:
(laugh)
churl:
It's just turtles all the way down.
cortex:
Yes. Chain back to the very dawn of time.
I don't know if anybody else was excited about any other Jobs or anything that they had listed. There's some development stuff, there's some SQL stuff. But there you go. If you're looking for a job...
jessamyn:
No, it's kind of blah blah computers, not that that's not cool.
But yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, in fact, I don't think there's any open job listings on the page that weren't there last time we recorded. Everything else [??]--
jessamyn:
Because that was I guess December 1st, right?
cortex:
Yeah. Everything else [??] filled. So let's just stop talking about Jobs. But there we go.
That was sort of a segue. It was a segue in the sense that it wasn't a segue but now I'm saying 'segue' repeatedly. Projects.
jessamyn:
You're just trying to bug me.
cortex:
Let's talk about Projects.
not_on_display:
Projects. I actually looked at Projects specifically because I don't normally go there, and I found so much good stuff. (chuckles)
cortex:
There's a bunch. What did you like?
not_on_display:
Yeah. Let's see here, I'm going down my list here. Well, I wanted to give a shout-out to my trivia homie backseatpilot, because he posted "Airports (and more!) of New England (and beyond!)".
jessamyn:
I enjoyed this one also.
not_on_display:
And it's just basically a Flickr site, yeah. But it's just showing, it just shows, you know... he's always the best person with airplane stories and stuff like that.
jessamyn:
Because he works at Boeing. I think?
not_on_display:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I always wanted to ask him about
"tell me another scary airplane story," and he's always willing to accommodate me. And he's been really generous, too--he's said "oh yeah, you know, if you ever want to fly--" like, when the Fun Time meetup happened a few years ago, up in New Hampshire, he said, "I'm flying there."
jessamyn:
Fun Spot? Fun Spot?
not_on_display:
Yeah, Fun Spot, Fun Spot, up in the lakes region of New Hampshire where they have all the video game records, it's a huge arcade. He was like, "I'm gonna fly up there." And I still kick myself for not taking him up on that.
But yeah, I thought that was a really good one. I also liked the "If you are reading this," the contingency messages Twitter bot that ignignokt, and Metroid Baby, and EndsOfInvention made up.
cortex:
Oh, yeah!
jessamyn:
I feel like we need to have, like, the ignignokt Twitter bot corner. 'Cause he's got one like, every month, right?
cortex:
I think he's more or less got 'em monthly.
jessamyn:
Is this goddam facts, or is this something else?
jessamyn:
Is this Goddamn Facts, or is this something else?
cortex:
This month he posted the, uh, Goddamn Facts factbot. I think Jim was talking about the...
jessamyn:
Oh at the very end...
cortex:
We talked about it in the last episode, actually -- the If You're Reading This alert-bot with the made-up alerts.
jessamyn:
Oh God yeah, that was so funny.
cortex:
But yeah, this month, or, end of last month? I don't know what months are anymore.
not_on_display:
(laughs)
cortex:
I had a busy one, I've lost track of everything. Yes! The Goddamn Facts. I think I can safely, at this point, I've been so on board with enjoying the stuff that ignignokt does that I feel like I can safely get away without seeming harsh saying; ehhhh, this one. Ehhhh. This one 'ehhhh' for me. I like really well-constructed curses and this one is, you know, someone who just dropped a hammer, sort of.
jessamyn:
"The goddamn village has a goddamn population of 785."
I don't know...
cortex:
Well, it's not bad. See, this is--I already feel bad for like, you know--
not_on_display:
Oh, yeah.
jessamyn:
For not loving it as much?
cortex:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
You know, some are hits, some are misses, I think this is an easy--the goddam facts one is pretty easy. I looked at that for a second, and was like, nah--I liked the other one better, the "If you are reading this then--" [chuckles] "--then something weird has happened.
churl:
How come one of the tweets from Goddamn Factbot is just the word "MacRumors"?
(general laughter)
jessamyn:
That's a very good question.
cortex:
That's some subtle shit.
churl:
January 3rd. "MacRumors".
not_on_display:
Maybe that just is a swear in and of itself.
(laughter)
cortex:
Well maybe it has a probabilistic chance of every, like, point in the swear generated to generate a swear, and it failed every single time? So it like, grabbed "MacRumors" and tried to stick a "fuck" beforehand or -
a "shitty" afterwards.
jessamyn:
Tried to stick a fuck.
cortex:
You know, sometimes you just gotta stick a fuck.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
Speaking of bots, I liked the OlogyBot from diva bat--which I'm failing to paste here...
jessamyn:
Everybody does see the little chat window, right?
cortex:
On your--
churl:
Yeah. Found it.
not_on_display:
Yep, yep, I got it.
jessamyn:
Okay.
cortex:
Just as a study, an -ology of an -ology, and randomly sticks things together
with various ologies. Ahhh, I don't know, it's--
not_on_display:
Oh yeah, I saw that one too.
jessamyn:
"The neurophysiology of parasitology."
not_on_display:
There were a a few choice ones, yeah. "The lymphology of isotope analysis."
jessamyn:
"The ethnohistory of number theory."
cortex:
"The helioseismology of dendrology."
jessamyn:
"The Kremlinology of psychophramacology."
not_on_display:
"The Satanology of geophysics," I like that. I'll take that.
cortex:
That's a winner.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
"The ethnohistory of number theory."
jessamyn:
I JUST SAID THAT.
cortex:
Did you? I was busy--
jessamyn:
Anyone. Anyone. Is anyone listening to me at all?
churl:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
Here's this one, "The mythology of quantum field theory." I think that's another one of those 200-level courses.
cortex:
I suspect that as the number of people on the podcast goes up, the chance that anybody hears anything anybody else says goes down.
jessamyn:
I'm listening!
cortex:
Well, I know *you're* listening, but you're a good listener.
churl:
Josh, it's just you, really. We all know what it's like to podcast with you.
jessamyn:
I know...I was just trying generalize my way out of that one. It was worth a shot.
churl:
I did really like that moment when you guys were all taking turns reading them. It sounded like some kinda like, b-side They Might Be Giants song or something.
SFX:
[everyone laughs]
cortex:
I like this just for the callback hubris of it. Faint of Butt posted a Project called "That stupid HIBRYD HIBRYD meme of 2016."
not_on_display:
Oh, I loved that. Yeah. I thought that was great, because that thing came up *years* ago, and he's like, "Hey guess what? It's 2016, here it is." And sure enough.
jessamyn:
Wait, can somebody explain…
cortex:
So…
jessamyn:
like I'm looking at this for the first time.
cortex:
Yes. If you go, if you go into the Projects post, and look at the…
jessamyn:
Yeah.
cortex:
click on goodnewsfortheinsane, it'll take you to a comment that goodnewsfortheinsane made nine years ago,
not_on_display:
(crosstalk)
cortex:
where he makes a joke - he's talking about how memes sort of roll over…
jessamyn:
Oh, I get it, I get it. (laughs)
cortex:
You know, "LOLCAT will have been replaced with that stupid HIBRYD HIBRYD meme of 2016." And so in 2007, this was seen by
Faint of Butt, who then favorited it, and then nine years passed, and apparently he made a note to himself or something.
not_on_display:
[laughs] He had it on his calendar.
cortex:
'Cause then he started a blog that just features, you know, that stupid HIBRYD HIBRYD meme of 2016.
not_on_display:
But these are *awesome*, though, I mean, the rooster-rhinocerous... all of them are incredible!
jessamyn:
Yeah. Yeah. Well--
churl:
Just scrolling through the page, the word "hybrid" has stopped having any meaning long ago.
cortex:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
Yeah, it's just a tag. It's just a...brand name now.
cortex:
Well, and it's spelled wrong to begin with! So it's even more dizzying.
jessamyn:
And as far as the segue, we go from Faint of Butt to "butts.lol" by CharlesV42--
cortex:
Beautifully done.
jessamyn:
...posted just today. Charles is drawing a butt every day for 2016.
not_on_display:
Oh, let me see this butts. Ohhhh yeeeeahhhh...ohhhh, look at those. [chuckles]
cortex:
And they are on--
jessamyn:
And the domain is amazing!
cortex:
It's on butts.lol, which is fantastic.
jessamyn:
I didn't even know .lol was a top-level domain.
churl:
How much did you sell it to CharlesV for? That domain name?
cortex:
[laughs] It never even occurred to me to go and try to register it. I'm glad it's gone to a good home.
jessamyn:
These are some great butts! Can we send him a picture and he'll do us a butt portrait?
cortex:
You'll have to ask him. I don't want to--
not_on_display:
You're gonna send him a picture of my butt, aren't you?
cortex:
I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
jessamyn:
Of course I'm gonna send him a picture of your butt!
not_on_display:
Okay.
jessamyn:
I only have pictures of your butt in my phone.
cortex:
I think you should definitely inquire. I think that's worth a shot.
not_on_display:
Speaking of all of one thing, I also favorited the Final Consternation 4 one...let me copy that link for you guys.
But it's basically a supercut of screams from horror movies. And I don't usually watch horror movies, so it took me a while to figure out which ones were coming from where. Is it all one movie? No, it's not all one movie, but it was just scream after scream after scream after scream, and it was--
cortex:
Yes, yes.
not_on_display:
...it was pretty awesome.
jessamyn:
By azarbayejani.
cortex:
I think I might've mentioned this last podcast. It's fantastic. I mean, it's exactly what it sounds like, so it's a very long 11 minutes in that sense, but it's also kinda great
just to have that total satiation of this specific thing.
not_on_display:
All the different types of screams! Anything that qualifies as a scream. And all the different ways in which people were made to scream. And it was just fascinating, just fascinated me. Especially because I don't usually watch horror movies.
cortex:
I like how you say "harrer." I'm a "horror" person.
not_on_display:
Harrar, horror, harrar. It's like how I say drawer.
jessamyn:
Jim has a funny accent also!
cortex:
What's a mythical scaly creature that shows up in high fantasy?
not_on_display:
Uh...griffin?
jessamyn:
Argggh! Josh, just tell him, just spell it.
cortex:
The fire-breathing kind, the fire-breathing kind.
not_on_display:
Dragon?
jessamyn:
Exactly.
cortex:
Yeah, yeah.
not_on_display:
Oh, how do you say it? Drag-on?
cortex:
I say--I, I--[laughs]
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
I do now! No, I say "dray-gen."
not_on_display:
Oh, "dray-gen!" With a long A!
cortex:
...for which I've gotten endless feedback.
jessamyn:
But Jim, what's the thing that you pull out of a desk and keep your pens in?
not_on_display:
A "drah."
jessamyn:
See?
cortex:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
I think that's a Boston thing.
cortex:
And what the thing that you wear underneath your pants?
not_on_display:
Uh...[laughs]
jessamyn:
Don't even. Don't start.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
SHOES!!
not_on_display:
Shoes under my pants, yes. [pause] *Under* my pants? Wh--[???]
cortex:
Anybody else got any other Projects?
jessamyn:
I just want to mention Greg Nog's "What I learned from one month of not eating raw chicken," only because he's so funny, and anytime--like, he's funny on Twitter, but like, Twitter's...whatever.
Like, it's short, it's kind of a little easy. This is one whole essay on Medium about not eating raw chicken for a month, and it's basically a send-up of all those dorks who talk about, you know--
not_on_display:
Right.
jessamyn:
"I quit drinking for four days and I learned all sort of shit!
not_on_display:
Right, Twinkies every day for a month!
cortex:
Well, you know--this article may or may not qualify in part as just some fairly direct, sort of long-form subtweeting at a post on Metafilter
from a couple days ago. That there was one of those, like, "Here's--I stopped drinking, and here's my experience with that," and then a couple, like, there was a sort-of related post about navigating being the person who doesn't drink among a circle of friends who are drinking a few days before that, so I feel like there was some zeitgeist there, and that may have driven this into existence, so it's not just him commenting on those articles but also sort of, Metafilter in the last few days.
jessamyn:
A specific discussion.
cortex:
Yeah.
Which of course, it then came back up in at least one of those threads, as like, "What?!" And, yeah.
jessamyn:
Oh well.
cortex:
It's complicated, it's internet stuff! But yes.
jessamyn:
Well, I lol'ed.
not_on_display:
I have one other that I just wanted to mention, it's the thank you notes one. Which, I thought it was just a good exercise that this person wanted to thank, it's just a person listing what they're grateful for every day. As a list, it probably doesn't pertain much to me, but I think it's just an example of a good exercise that he wanted to share, or she wanted to share.
And I enjoyed reading little bits and pieces of it. It was nice hearing somebody say thank you rather than going "Something's *wrong!*"
cortex:
[laughs] Yep. It was nice. I saw that one when it came through, and was like, "Oh, that's a good idea."
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
It's a good project. [pause] Heyyy, it's a good *Project*, eh? That's the name of the subsite!
not_on_display:
[pity chuckle]
jessamyn:
Whaaat?
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
[laughs] Jesse, you hear what I'm sayin' here! It's the--
churl:
I--oh, Josh.
jessamyn:
Don't even. I will not
take that thing from your hand, is your line here, Jesse.
not_on_display:
I pronounce it "Pro-ject."
jessamyn:
[laughs] Get out! Get out!
cortex:
It's proJECTS! MeFi *projects* its creativity onto the world! That's--yeah. Uh, shall we move on to Metafilter?
jessamyn:
We have to.
churl:
I wanna tack on--I did do a bad job on the Projects thing in preparation, but I do love Projects. Everybody please keep putting your projects on Projects. I found myself not visiting there *as* regularly as AskMe and the Blue, and I just decided to add Projects to my RSS
reader, so now every time someone posts a project, it pops up over there for me too.
jessamyn:
You use an RSS reader in 2016, that's awesome!
churl:
Yeah--[laughs]
jessamyn:
What do you use?
churl:
NetNewsWire.
jessamyn:
Oh my God, really?!
churl:
Yeah. [chuckles]
jessamyn:
[laughs] I just finally deleted that from my hard drive like, two months ago.
not_on_display:
Passing the baton.
jessamyn:
I mean, but it's the best one. I mean, I just don't read RSS feeds so much anymore--but oh my God. Aah!
not_on_display:
But you also, you also--
churl:
Right, the field is pretty slim pickins' after the Google Reader debacle, but...
jessamyn:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
You also chide me for still using FileMaker, though, so.
churl:
[chuckles]
jessamyn:
I chide you for using FileMaker *at Harvard.*
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
Jim, how good are you at FileMaker? Would you say you're a FileMaker...Pro?
not_on_display:
I'd say I'm an intermediate. I'm not a FileMaker Pro. I'm--
jessamyn:
Will. Not. Take. The thing. From your hands.
cortex:
[laughs] Uh...
not_on_display:
I took you seriously there, you know.
cortex:
Yeah, I appreciate you taking that straight. That was a nice twist.
jessamyn:
You totally don't. You so don't.
churl:
I was half-serious when I said on Twitter that I'm just gonna make a supercut of every time Yakov, Jessamyn, or I just have to sigh at one of your jokes in the podcast.
SFX:
[All laugh]
churl:
Hours.
jessamyn:
You should hear me with Jim!
not_on_display:
Oh, yes.
jessamyn:
Like, if you think I do this with Josh a lot, I have practice--all month.
not_on_display:
With me though, the thing is, is you don't hear anything. You just see the stone face.
cortex:
[laughs]
churl:
Yeah. Well, you know there's like, this YouTube video that's ten hours of the Starship Enterprise's engine noise that you can just put on as background noise.
not_on_display:
Oh, I love that.
churl:
...for your work day or whatever?
jessamyn:
Yes!
churl:
You could do something like that, that's just silence and sighs and just--
jessamyn and not_on_display:[exasperated sighs, laughter]
not_on_display:
And the chances are, at least ten times during the day, it would match something stupid I did--
jessamyn:
It'll line up precisely.
SFX:
ageispolis, "Auld Lang Syne"
SFX:
ageispolis, "Auld Lang Syne"
churl:
I'm sorry Josh, please carry on.
cortex:
No, no, no--I'm enjoying the flow. Well, let's--let's talk about Metafilter. Let's talk about stuff we liked on Metafilter. That seems like the thing to do now.
not_on_display:
I liked the Lemmy obit threads.
cortex:
Oh, Lemmy!
not_on_display:
Yeah... yeah. Because, Motörhead
really resonated with me when I was a kid, and then it was weird, because there was a post celebrating his 70th birthday like, four days before he died. He was diagnosed like two days before he died, so it was weird seeing that thread happen, the 70th birthday "happy birthday Lemmy" thread, and then all of a sudden, I didn't mean for him--I didn't mean to say "I'm surprised this guy's still alive!" so yeah, a lot of people were sharing nice stories
during both threads--but the obit thread, I always feel bad when I favorite an obit thread, but that was one I favorited.
cortex:
[long pause] Yeah, I was--[laughs]
not_on_display:
[chuckles] Wow.
cortex:
I didn't realize there was the birthday thread beforehand, so I was like, "Wow, that obit thread...I thought it was a lot longer. Oh, no, he wasn't dead yet! Right."
not_on_display:
Right. Right, right.
cortex:
I follow the flow of things now.
jessamyn:
Well, and they didn't add Motörhead to the recent thread, because there's no umlauts in tags--
not_on_display:
Ohhhh.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
And so...
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
"I'm just gonna add the--"
jessamyn:
Cookiebastard decided...
cortex:
I feel like I should add it after the face, but am I violating authorial intent here, or is this a "death to the author" thing where I shouldn't care? I'm torn.
jessamyn:
I dunno, did you *go* to college?
cortex:
Y-yeah.
jessamyn:
Death of the author then, fuck it.
cortex:
Yeah, but I--I went for computer science.
jessamyn:
Ehhhhhh.
cortex:
So it's more like, open-source, you know.
jessamyn:
What? *What?*
cortex:
Like, we're all the authors. You know.
jessamyn:
*What?*
cortex:
I don't know where I'm going with this.
jessamyn:
Oh, that's right, you went to RPI.
cortex:
No no, WPI.
jessamyn:
WPI. Sorry
not_on_display:
Oh, you went to WPI? Worcester Polytech?
jessamyn:
Yeah!
not_on_display:
Oh, no kiddin'. No kiddin'. I applied there, never ended up going there.
cortex:
But fuck those guys, seriously.
jessamyn:
Did you get in there, Jim?
not_on_display:
Ah, yeah, I did.
jessamyn:
Hey! You guys could have been, uh, no you wouldn't, you're nowhere near the same age.
not_on_display:
Could have been roomies if I was a weirdo. [laughs] If I was a 30 year old freshman. "Heyyyy... how you doin'?"
cortex:
[laughs] Yeah, what do you do.
jessamyn:
Heh heh.
not_on_display:
Yeah, so.
churl:
Can I get a ruling on a point of order real quick?
cortex:
Sure!
jessamyn:
No.
churl:
[laughs] The raw chicken thing on Projects was January 4th, can we do posts all the way up to today?
cortex:
Yes! Yes.
churl:
We can, okay.
not_on_display:
Cool.
jessamyn:
Well, because, if you think about it, Jesse, we can't do them after the podcast, because we would have no way of knowing if we had mentioned them, so usually it's from the last podcast to the next podcast--
churl:
Ah, yes.
jessamyn:
...which is only esoteric and sounds totally weird as I'm saying it--
SFX:
[cortex, and churl laugh]
jessamyn:
to people who haven't been doing this with me
and Josh for 112 times. [laughs]
churl:
Well, that's good news, 'cause--
jessamyn:
It makes perfect sense in my mind.
churl:
Yeah. I was gonna try and figure out a way to shoehorn this one in, 'cause it was on January 4th, but I guess I don't have to...
cortex:
Oh yeah, no, do it. Yeah.
jessamyn:
Nope!
churl:
...shoehorn it in. "Bigger Luke"--
cortex:
Yeeeeeeeeees!
ch...is a wiki.
jessamyn:
Speaking of Greg Nog.
cortex:
[laughs]
churl:
Yes! Exactly, right? There's another segue. It analyzes the theory that
--or kind of like, a presumption--the joke is that the site kind of pre-assumes that everyone agrees that there's a second Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars movie, that's just 10 or 15 percent bigger than that Luke Skywalker?
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
And they switch out onscreen at random times?
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
And exploring different theories as to why there's "Bigger Luke," or "Luke Prime," regular Luke?
churl:
And whether it's two Mark Hamills, or whether it's canonical that R2D2 has somehow made a clone of Luke that he's teleporting in and out- it's a deep dive on an esoteric joke.
jessamyn:
This is awesomely bug-fuck.
churl:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
The man-hours spent on this one problem! [chuckles]
cortex:
Well, and the thing is, I feel like there's actually less to this wiki than I was hoping for on that front. Like, I can't tell you *for sure* that it's not a joke, I'm pretty sure it's a joke, but there's not as much-
cortex:
-pages and pages and pages of crazy detail as my canonical ideal "Bigger Luke" wiki would have had? But that's a nitpick.
churl:
You know, a better "Bigger Luke" wiki begins with you. I mean, that's why it's a wiki.
cortex:
Yes. I guess I want a bigger "Bigger Luke" wiki.
churl:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
WHAT.
not_on_display:
Has there been some sort of green screen hypothesis floated on this thing? Like, he was just standing a little bit forward of his mark when they were doing green screen of something or other, and that's why he looks so-
cortex:
Well, there was like, no green screen, really, in the original trilogy, I don't think.
not_on_display:
Hm.
cortex:
I mean, they did matte effects and stuff for the space stuff-
not_on_display:
Right. They didn't do any [mumble]
cortex:
I think all the sets were basically practical.
not_on_display:
Ok.
cortex:
Except for maybe out the window of the Emperor's Death Star whatever
not_on_display:
[chuckles]
cortex:
Yeah, so no, there's very little positive. We get into some good theory in the thread. I enjoyed participating in this today.
churl:
[chuckles]
cortex:
I had some thoughts on the subject.
churl:
Right! And to steal Greg's joke from the thread, I mean, how would a green screen effect explain the existence of two different sized Lukes, bigger Luke and regular Luke.
cortex:
Yeah. You know? So. [laughs]
not_on_display:
[laughs] Well, standing closer or further away from the green screen. If you miss your mark you would- like, say you were standing in front of your mark, closer to the camera, you'd appear bigger.
cortex:
That's just what Big Cinema would want you to think!
churl:
Right, but is Bigger Luke or Regular Luke standing closer or further from the mark?
not_on_display:
Bigger Luke.
churl:
Oh, ok. [laughs]
not_on_display:
Bigger Luke would be standing closer to the camera than the mark would, uh. But this is...
churl:
So what's the other Luke doing?
jessamyn:
Have you no sense of wonder?
not_on_display:
The other Luke is forecasting the weather on the weather channel.
churl:
Ah! Got it.
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
Someone suggested that in some scenes, he might just be standing on an apple cart, but someone else pointed out that Apple was not manufacturing stuff in 1977, so...
not_on_display:
Yep. The iCart. [laughs]
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
[whispering] Stoooooop. Stop.
cortex:
I loved this post, and this--there are many kinds of posts I love on Metafilter, and many things I love about Metafilter, but one specific kind of post is this sort of, "everybody just jumps in and runs with the weird joke and just riffs on it" thing, and this, I kind of think
this is not a kind of post that only happens when Greg Nog posts one, but this is like two for two, among my favorite posts on Metafilter and they're both from Greg Nog, the other one being one from several years ago about the 50 greatest video game characters of all time, which was a similarly straight-faced goof that turned into this massive thread of people more-or-less running with the joke about all these non-existant
video games that they remember from their childhood. And it was--
jessamyn:
So it was made up?
cortex:
Yeah, it was a made-up list of--and it was super-goofy made-up too, like just ridiculous stuff on this list along with stuff that, maybe if you didn't know video games, would be "I guess that sounds like it could be!"
not_on_display:
I'm just, like, flying through this thread and all of a sudden I see "Argh, I hate jokes!"
SFX:
[churl, not_on_display, and cortex laugh]
cortex:
Yeah, a couple people are like, "Wait! I don't recognize *any* of these," and everybody is like--
jessamyn:
Is that by me?
not_on_display:
No, no, no, I thought for a second, I was like, "Oh, that's Jessamyn," no.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
It's the young rope-rider. Oh, yeah!
cortex:
But yes. Bigger Luke was a very fun thread today, this "50 greatest video games" was a very fun one several years ago. I like this kinda... we just need one of these Greg Nog-ish threads every once in a while, whether or not it's actually literally Greg Nog posting it, or not--I just like having these around.
not_on_display:
We should have the Greg-Nogcast.
cortex:
Yes. Well, we had him on! That was pleasant!
not_on_display:
Yeah, that was a good--I enjoyed--
jessamyn:
Yeah!
cortex:
He did not apply to be a moderator, so, you know
churl:
Yeah Jim, we're standing in his shadow in this episode, unfortunately.
not_on_display:
Okay.
cortex:
Yeah. [laughs] Hey, let's talk about some other guests we liked while we have him on!
not_on_display:
[chuckles]
churl:
Honestly, I think that--
cortex:
Jesse, who's your favorite person you've heard who's not you who was on the podcast?
not_on_display:
Oh, somebody else--
churl:
Well, GJ, of course. I'm in the GJ fan club, #1 forever.
cortex:
[laughs] Oh, he was tweeting about having a story today from a funeral, that he couldn't tweet about publicly. I need to call him and find out what the story was.
churl:
Oh my God, we just have to like, soak these up.
jessamyn:
Well, I think he said he was gonna wrap it up into a direct message.
cortex:
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
[long pause] I'm sorry, what were you guys--[laughs]
jessamyn:
Jim, did you wanna say a thing?
cortex:
Please just--
not_on_display:
Well, I was just gonna say, another couple of posts that caught my attention for way too long are "Dead Ding Dong is the Witch," which is, somebody took all of the Wizard of Oz, and ran it through an alphabetizing machine, and edited it so that all the lines of dialogue are in alphabetical order by one word each.
cortex:
Yes.
jessamyn:
See, that was the part that I totally missed.
So the post is by Obscure Reference. So people are actually speaking the lines, but they're just speaking like, all the words in a row?
not_on_display:
No, it's like you hear all the "a"--it starts with the letter a, you know?
jessamyn:
I'm gonna go watch it.
not_on_display:
And everybody that says "a," and so that goes about maybe 15 seconds of people going a, a, a, and then the next word, like "abscond," yeah.
jessamyn:
OH! It's actually cut!
not_on_display:
Yeah, it's actually cut.
cortex:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
All the words appear in alphabetical order as they're spoken, one at a time, so like, when they hit the word "because," you get all the instances of the Munchkins singing "because because because because because because because because because because"--
churl:
[chuckles]
not_on_display:
And then every time they're wandering down the yellow brick road, every instance of them singing, "because because be--" and then it goes right on to the next word.
jessamyn:
I meant the hhh-word part of it--
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Which is actually really long, and it's all people like--
not_on_display:
going "[gasps]"
jessamyn:
Just going [gasps several times]
not_on_display:
Yeah. It's pretty amazing. And that, kind of related to the Barbiephonic post that I saw, which was...
jessamyn:
By who?
not_on_display:
By frimble! Frimble.
jessamyn:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
And basically, there was--it says it in the post--somebody had, some voiceover actress had to recite the names of 17,000 people, like first names,
just to be inserted in this sort of personalized tape recording or something, that went out with Barbies in the '80s or '90s or something, and somebody found the tape and just posted it! It's four and a half hours of names in alphabetical order said in a chipper voice, by somebody who probably went completely insane afterwards.
cortex:
This is amazing! I totally missed this.
not_on_display:
Yeah. I've gotten up to the, like halfway through the A's, I think, of that one.
cortex:
[cracks up] boo_radley with the second comment, "Paulstretch here I come!" Paulstretch, you may recall, is the tool that is used to create much longer, stretched out versions of audio files.
not_on_display-and-churl:
[laugh]
cortex:
It turns out that Justin Bieber stretched out is a Sugar Rose song, from several years ago, which was I think the canonical one, so yeah. Oh man. No, I'm gonna have to check this out later.
churl:
This is a great find, yeah.
cortex:
I feel like I am one of those few people, who just annoyingly is like "Oh, yeah, no, I will totally listen to that." Like, four and a half hours is a lot to sit through...
jessamyn:
Well, and this is made by mhoye.
Isn't mhoye a mefite?
cortex:
I believe so, yeah.
not_on_display:
Was it a post from Projects?
cortex:
Oh yeah, no, they link to the username, even, so yes.
jessamyn:
Okay.
not_on_display:
Okay.
jessamyn:
I was gonna say--that's our guy!
cortex:
I think it just didn't go through Projects! It doesn't have the typical "via Projects" sort of post. But yes! MeFi's own! Wow, that's awesome.
jessamyn:
Wooow. That is great. And I didn't see that all.
cortex:
We'll have to mess with that, figure out something to do with it.
not_on_display:
Yeah, those have taken up an inordinate amount of my time in the past month, you know--kinda slowly going through those two. So anyway.
cortex:
I really enjoyed this really great-looking video. The title of the post is "Tubular feels," which was posted by a lungful of dragon, and it's Bach's Prelude No. 1 in C major, through some sort of musical tubes, perhaps French musical tubes--because it's... aux tubes musicaux? Sure, I speak French! It's hard to describe, but you should just take the 3 or 4 minutes and listen to it, because it's--
jessamyn:
Guy's got a man bun.
cortex:
They're doing sort of like a weird, baton-tossing choreographed--
jessamyn:
[gasps]
not_on_display:
Wow, it's like juggling *and* music.
cortex:
Yeah, it's crazy and they fuck up several times, and the pacing's all wrong, and even at that, it's--
not_on_display:
Still.
cortex:
It's totally understandable, it is, 'cause it's *really* fuckin' amazing.
not_on_display:
Oh, wow.
cortex:
It's just really great, you should watch it.
jessamyn:
WOOOOOOOOW.
cortex:
And YouTube does let you watch stuff at, like, multiplied speeds at this point.
not_on_display:
You're right.
cortex:
So you can then watch it again at two times, and it's like hoooooly shit
at that point, it's like a weird, like if George Lucas decided to make a Christmas special, that wasn't, you know, an actual Star Wars Christmas Special sort of thing.
not_on_display:
It's like, George Lucas meets Mummenschanz.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Right! Right! Woo!
cortex:
So that was amazing. A nice little bit of Internet.
not_on_display:
Yeah, nice. That is sweet.
jessamyn:
So we also had the best post contest this month--
cortex:
Yes!
jessamyn:
...and I gave away prizes in the first week and the last week.
cortex:
Go you.
jessamyn:
and I feel like I should at least mention the prizes, which were knuckle tattoos' oldmolds.com, which is just basically a website that talks about...molds? Which is hilarious and kinda great. And then the one--let me figure out where the one
cortex:
knuckle tattoos, while you're looking for that, also a local MeFite, and an awesome guy.
jessamyn:
Oh, is that true?
cortex:
Yeah, yeah, no, he gets out to a meetup now and then,
he's super nice! He does not have *actual* tattoos on his knuckles.
jessamyn:
What?!
cortex:
So it's sort of transgressive, you know, he's messing with your expectations there.
jessamyn:
Oh, and then the really long post called "Whitewashing All of Mankind," by orticon halo, which was about this amazing William Walker mural, and people trying to save it, and a whole bunch of interesting information about muralist Walker, and then it got whitewashed, and it was just very, very sad.
But it was a really great post. I had backup ones too, but those were my favorite--the backup--
not_on_display:
I just want to say, the antique mold one, the way--I love when posts are, the wording--
jessamyn:
Yes.
not_on_display:
And it says, "The real old mold gold at oldmolds.com, where old molds are sold," ah, I love that.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Isn't it funny? It's the best, right? So I sent those guys a little collection of bookplates, and old library index cards and library stamps.
*And*, I guess I should mention the other runner-up, by saul wright, which was basically about, you can improve your congitive functioning at zero cost by interacting with nature--real nice, right? Like, go outside, hug a tree, and you'll improve--oh my God, the Metafilter people.
cortex:
[all laugh maniacally]
jessamyn:
Just--just read the list. Like, the comments are just exactly what you would think.
So I specifically sent the guy a MeFiMail being like, "hey buddy, I'm sorry about what happened in your post, it was really nice."
cortex:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
Oh, that's beautiful!
jessamyn:
I mean, some people were super nice, but other people were like, "ew, lyme disease," and etc. etc., so.
not_on_display:
Metafilter: Met with weary cynicism.
jessamyn:
[laughs] Basically, yes, yes, exactly.
cortex:
Nice to see happyroach, in all caps, saying "WELCOME TO METAFILTER!" Like, that's--yeah.
not_on_display:
So, I wanna know, for the best post, I didn't read the best post list, but did the one where mathowie
replaces guns with sex toys in the photos of Republican politicians--did that win any awards? Because it should. It should be in the--
cortex:
Um, it didn't--it...
jessamyn:
I don't know, it probably should have!
cortex:
It didn't win, like, the *top* any given week. It didn't get the most fantastics.
j:I mean, Matt basically kinda won the Internet, so just, you know.
Yeah. What was the time--was that December? Was that possibly even--
not_on_display:
December 7. Well, it was posted here December 7.
churl:
Yeah.
cortex:
Okay, well, let's check week 1 then. Let's see if it's in there.
jessamyn:
Yeah, by maxsparber.
By I think the former--astrozombie.
not_on_display:
Yeah, astrozombie [???]
cortex:
Yes. I'm not sure it won any awards. It merely won huge accolades on the entire Internets.
not_on_display:
It won my heart over.
cortex:
Matt presumably crying himself to sleep.
churl:
Right. [laughs]
jessamyn:
I think he's fine.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Hey, you know--
churl:
No, yeah, that definitely was this month. I have that in my section of links this month that were internally referential to Metafilter stuff, but--sorry, I interrupted you.
What were you starting to say?
jessamyn:
Oh, well, you know how Twitter has that "When you were away" feature kind of, like if you go away from Twitter and you come back to it on your phone, and they're like "When you were away," and then it asks you "Do you like this feature?" And I'm like "ehhhhh." *Every time I come back* after I've been away, it shows me one of Matt's posts.
churl:
[chuckles]
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
So you've always got, like, a politican holding a dildo, or... just like...
jessamyn:
Yeah, basically!
cortex:
Okay.
jessamyn:
Or like, some funny joke Matt said, and there's nothing wrong with that, but like, *every time* it's like: post by Matt. Like, Twitter is kinda like
"I don't think you're spending enough time with Matt."
churl:
Matt just knows the right people at Twitter, I guess.
jessamyn:
You know, I dunno, I dunno, but it's weird. Like, *literally* every time.
churl:
Huh.
jessamyn:
So I was hoping maybe that happened to everybody. No?
not_on_display:
No.
cortex:
I think I see his stuff sometimes.
jessamyn:
I see him normally on Twitter! Like, I'm not agin' him, I haven't blocked him!
cortex:
Well, and I use the actual Twitter client so infrequently. I've stuck with TweetDeck, even after they acquired it,
they haven't broken it, so I don't intend to see most of the things people hate--
jessamyn:
But you can't use that on your phone, right?
cortex:
Well, I just don't use Twitter much on my phone.
jessamyn:
What?!
cortex:
I just... I dunno! It's--
churl:
That is really weird. Twitter's kind of, if I have the phone and the computer both in front of me, I will use the phone to check Twitter, 'cause it just seems more...
cortex:
Interesting! No, I much prefer the big crazy five-column tableau of TweetDeck. Like, I want my Twitter shit organized.
jessamyn:
You've only got five columns?
cortex:
Well, five permanent columns.
jessamyn:
[snicker]
cortex:
And then, you know, as needed for one-off things. The thing with the phone is--
jessamyn:
I have twelve.
cortex:
I use Twitter on the phone specifically when I'm like, "You know what I need to do? I need to tweet right now before I forget this dumb joke 'cause it won't make it home.
jessamyn:
How many Twitter accounts do you use, though?
cortex:
Really just mine.
jessamyn:
Okay.
cortex:
Like, I've got a few others--I control the Metafilter one now, and I've got another couple joke ones, but I'm so lazy about it that I'm like "fuck it."
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
Twitter, despite being super easy microblogging, is still too much of a pain in the ass for me to really get invested in.
jessamyn:
JUST too much effort.
cortex:
Yeah, it's a lot to ask a person. Yeah, no, the "best post" stuff was great! It's always great, and it's always--and the thing is, I kind of almost want to say, hey, you know what, it's also great the other 11 months of the year, it's just that we put a bunch of collective community effort into saying "oh hey, let's look at it and celebrate this stuff," so you know, people were making good posts all year long--and it's Metafilter, that's why I like it!
jessamyn:
Well, and I thought you guys did a great thing this time around, where you gave credit to the MeFi store, which just basically gave Metafilter money to Metafilter people--
cortex:
Yeahhhh!
jessamyn:
...who were selling things.
cortex:
Yeah!
jessamyn:
So I hope people use it, and I hope--you know, I just thought it was cool.
cortex:
Yeah, it was nice to be able to do that. And yeah, I'm getting emails from people saying, "oh, I looked at the store, I looked at the MeFi Mall, and I found this thing in this person's store, and I liked that!" And it's like, "Okay, great!" And we just make it happen.
jessamyn:
I was gonna ask you how that actually worked.
cortex:
Very manually. They just say, "Hey, I want this," and we're like, "Okay, great!" and I go and just order it with the company card, and boom!
jessamyn:
Wowww. Neat!
cortex:
So it's not fancy, but it works.
jessamyn:
Cool!
cortex:
So yeah, good job everybody, with the Mefites' Choice. We had a bunch of great stuff.
jessamyn:
Yeah! And thanks, people, for offering prizes, and thanks LobsterMitten for doing the bulk of the posting--
cortex:
Yes. Yes.
jessamyn:
...because everything ended on Tuesday during her shift.
not_on_display:
Yaaaaay!
cortex:
She was a goddamn champ. You know, beyond that, it was like, this last month--much of it just random personal stuff, so I won't get into it, but it turned out to be a very busy month on top of the whole hiring process, and so... when we were
starting out, we were like, "okay, well, how are we gonna do this?" And I was like, "Well, okay, we'll rotate, and every week we'll have a different person do it," and then she just ended up doing it, and she has been fantastic. So thank you, again, LobsterMitten, you were awesome about this.
jessamyn:
Cool!
not_on_display:
Yaaaay LobsterMitten!
churl:
And I really appreciate that these exist, too, it's something--especially December, for me, was really bad for staying up on MetaFilter and Internet stuff in general just 'cause work stuff, and life stuff--
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
I think for everybody! It's hectic!
churl:
And this surfaces different posts than, like--
not_on_display:
Yeah.
churl:
you know, most favorited, or whatever, "top posts" would,
so I really appreciate having this as my long-read list, basically, to just get to when I'm trying to do my catch-up for December. Also, I'm realizing I coulda just totally cribbed off of this for my--
SFX:
[all laugh]
churl:
...for this podcast, and I feel very dumb--it was *right* there.
not_on_display:
I actually avoided this on purpose, I avoided it completely on purpose, because I figured, oh, I'd be stuck on all the best posts--what I did was, when jessamyn said, "You wanna be on the podcast?" I was like, "Sure!" and today I blocked off and I opened the
archive page for December and I just scrolled through it at random, and whatever struck my eye, I clicked on it, and that's--that's how I came up with stuff that probably went under the radar. One thing I really liked was "The Invention of Basketball, in James Naismith's Own Words," which is a recording off the radio from 1938, I think, an interview with James Naismith, and he
describes the invention of basketball, but one thing that surprised people was that, oh, traveling was allowed in the first game, and it caused a big brawl.
churl:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
That was an interesting story, but I also like hearing radio from way back then and how people's speaking cadences, or the way people spoke *into a microphone* was kind of different than it is today!
churl:
hmm!
jessamyn:
Right. By Etrigan! You gotta mention everybody's name.
not_on_display:
Yeah. Etrigan! Etrigan!
cortex:
And--and--[putting on a sharp accent] Was there maybe a little bit of that, what is it called--Mid-Atlantic?
jessamyn:
Mid-Atlantic?
cortex:
--accent? Yeah!
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
Hey! Huzzah! Yeah! Like, even when they weren't doing that, it maybe sort of influenced things, yeah. [pause] That's neat, I totally didn't see that.
jessamyn:
I love it when people do that, they find, like, the *only* known recording of people or whatever.
churl:
That's a good find!
jessamyn:
That's so cool.
not_on_display:
Yeah, yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, no, that's pretty rad. I've got--there's never been a more "pandering to me" post in the history of "pandering to me" posts, forgetting he mentioned the podcast[???], than one made a few weeks
ago, nigh on a month ago, actually--Pope Guilty made a post about the fact--
jessamyn:
Oh, well, you knew this was gonna happen, of course!
cortex:
Yeah, well, I didn't know! At this point I wasn't sure this was ever gonna happen. What happened is, Nethack 3.6 came out.
not_on_display:
Oh, right.
cortex:
And the thing is, Nethack's previous official version, 3.4.3, as known in the post, came out *12 years ago.* It's been a while!
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
It's been a whole huge video game--
jessamyn:
How did they go from 3.4.3 to 3.6?
I don't understand.
cortex:
I think the even numbers are the release versions, and the odd numbers are sort of like the test versions. Not that they were really publicly properly releasing test versions... there was a leak in the ensuing 12 years of a sort of test-code that wasn't supposed to get out, I don't think, but other than that--
jessamyn:
Good Lord.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Is it the same developers? I don't know anything about, like, back-end Nethack.
cortex:
It's mostly a new team, I think. I think part of what happened
is they ended up actually having a little bit of a changing of the guard, of newer, presumably somewhat younger developers--
jessamyn:
Who wanted to actually release stuff.
cortex:
Yeah! And who were willing to do a ton of work under the hood. So this is like, it's a big deal that this is out, but it's not like a big pile of changes necessarily, there's new things and there's changed stuff, but in part they just rewrote a shitload of the code underneath to say "hey, we're no longer really targeting underpowered Unix machines in 1980, maybe we can modernize the code a little bit, maybe we can rewrite some of this shit."
"So we can *ever* release new versions in the future."
not_on_display:
And I still felt lost when I played it.
cortex-and-jessamyn:
[laugh]
cortex:
I launched it, and got myself killed on the first level, and closed it, and I actually haven't sat down and really played a game of Nethack properly beyond that since this came out, but yeah, no, it's a great thread, it's gonna be *super* fucking confusing once you get, like, 100 comments in, for anybody who doesn't play Roguelikes?
not_on_display:
Oh my God, 580 comments. Whoooo!
cortex:
Yeah, it's turned into, several people are basically live-blogging, or not even live-blogging, just sort of talking periodically about the various games they're playing through. Several people have beaten the game; in Nethack you ascend to godhood if you beat the game the hardcore way. You could merely go down into the dungeon and then come back out alive, and you'd win, but that's not *really* winning, if you haven't been deified, I mean, come on.
jessamyn:
That's not really winning-winning.
churl:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
Jessamyn and I were just watching an episode of The Librarians where the characters got caught
in a video game that one of them had to play over and over and over again, and the other characters had no idea that they were in a video game.
jessamyn:
And he keeps watching them die, over and over and over again.
cortex-and-not_on_display:
[laugh]
jessamyn:
Like, The Librarians is really shlocky in a lot of ways, but this episode was so redeeming, because it had that time-loop kinda thing in it, that was just super fun.
not_on_display:
Yeah. Yeah.
cortex:
Nice.
churl:
Josh, when you said that this is the post that really pushed your buttons perfectly, I really assumed it was gonna be the spice-filled
sand worm, Dune bread loaf thing.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
Oh, that one was great too! That one was great too, oh yes.
jessamyn:
Wait-whaaaaaaaaat? The what what? You guys just were watching a totally different Metafilter than I was this month.
cortex:
There's too darn much of it, is what there is!
churl:
It just was--'cause it's like a venue for Josh's hyper-specific Dune reference pun jokes.
not_on_display:
Oh, Dune.
jessamyn:
Oh, by gregglind!
churl:
And, uh--
jessamyn:
*By gregglind.*
churl:
By gregglind, sorry, yes.
jessamyn:
People. like. hearing their names. on the podcast. PEOPLE!
churl:
Yes, yes! This wasn't even on my list, I was just gonna throw it out as my assumption that this is what Josh was...
cortex:
[laughs] You should definitely shout at the person who's doing the podcast for the first time.
churl:
excited about.
not_on_display:
I think you could take what Josh was excited about and flip it over, and I think that Josh's Venn diagram and mine have very little connection. I got three pages into doing it, and I was "no, fuck this."
jessamyn:
Yeah, me too! That's why we are a team.
not_on_display:
(laughs)
jessamyn:
Fuck that book. That was on my Dad's nightstand for probably eight years, and I kept trying because I thought maybe like it was dirty or something.
not_on_display:
I thought like "What was I missing?" Everybody… a lot of people I know whose opinions I respect really like this book. And I was like
not_on_display:
It is so… it's better than Ambien for me.
jessamyn:
(laughs) You've never tried Ambien.
cortex:
It's… it's a very specific vision.
not_on_display:
Sure.
cortex:
You're right, Jesse - I very strongly enjoyed this post that…
jessamyn:
And this whole blog is great.
cortex:
Yeah!
jessamyn:
Kitchen Overlord, and I'm looking at these Deadpool cookies, and I'm like, I'm in love.
cortex:
(laughs)
jessamyn:
I'm going to have my sister cook all this stuff.
jessamyn:
And, great segue from here to… because they also have printable and adult coloring pages. Which leads me to the post that I like by belladonna about adult coloring.
cortex:
Oh yeah, yeah.
jessamyn:
Basically it's "The adult coloring book. Is that a thing?" And belladonna made a really nice post about adult coloring.
churl:
Oh yeah,
churl:
I have an awesome coloring book that I occasionally pencil in, but it's Netter's Anatomy, as they hand out to med school students to help them cram Anatomy, you know, because, the act of coloring in ligaments and spleen and all sorts of gooshy parts of people makes you remember them easier. As for me, I understand maybe one percent of it, but it's really interesting trying to, you know, draw, color in… "Here, color in this person's reproductive
churl:
system. Yeah, sure."
jessamyn:
Well, we had adult coloring books at our Vermont Comicon booth for the Library Association. Super popular! People loved them. We had a whole bunch of like superheroes of color, like, for kids, and a bunch of adult coloring books and there were so many adults that were just exhausted running around Comicon with their little dressed up eight year old who were just thrilled to get to sit…
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
...just color, color, color, color.
not_on_display:
It's better than a ball pit!
jessamyn:
Yeah, exactly. So, but I liked this post that Bella Donna made. I thought it was really well done, and it has a lot of neat discussion. Links to other good stuff. If you're into adult coloring, that's the place.
not_on_display:
The problem is, you know how you complain, Jessamyn, about how many tabs I have up at once.
jessamyn:
I do complain.
not_on_display:
This is gonna double them.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
That's just between you and your own personal moral compass.
cortex:
You're a many-tabber?
not_on_display:
Oh yeah. Yeah.
jessamyn:
Oh my GOD.
cortex:
I'm with Jess on this. I like to have a very under-control number of tabs. More than eight is really "What the fuck is going on?" and I really kind of prefer to keep it around six.
jessamyn:
I have nine open now and I'm agitated.
cortex:
Yeah, I've got several--several extra tabs open on my primary window. I pop open a new window just for the podcast every time, so that I know I won't like, go fucking crazy about what's going on on my main one, but even then, you know.
jessamyn:
Right, so you don't look at your email or whatever.
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Well, 'cause part of the problem is, it means you don't know what's gonna happen when you open your browser, so like, we'll be chatting and I'll send him a link, and he's like, "oh, hold on--Firefox," you know--"What tab is making noise?"
cortex-and-not_on_display:
[laugh]
jessamyn:
And I'm like, "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" There's gotta be another way!
cortex:
Well see, and one of the things I like about having not too many tabs open is, it works well with never, ever closing my browser, too, so...
jessamyn:
Yeah, no, I never close my browser.
cortex:
There's a lot of ways to use the Internet.
not_on_display:
Metafilter plays to that bad habit of mine, though. Like for instance--
jessamyn:
Sure!
not_on_display:
In going through all the AskMetafilter stuff, I found one--I'll mention it, I guess, when we go over AskMetafilter--I found one, and it led to another, and it led to another, so by the time I was finished just checking out this one AskMetafilter post, I had like 15 tabs open! [laughs]
jessamyn:
But then you use a Firefox plugin like "dump your tabs to a file," and then you just have that file, and then you're done!
not_on_display:
Yeah, but then what--
jessamyn:
The problem is, you never close them, 'cause you always think you're gonna get back to them.
not_on_display:
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
jessamyn:
There's nothing wrong with having tabs open.
churl:
One of the ways I stay sane, 'cause I'm the same way, is that if one link takes me to five other directions, and I don't want to lose that, because I want a deep-dive on one link, but I want to stick a pin in some of the other ones and come back to them later, so I would leave them open in tabs--but then the first one I went to would open a new set of tabs--
I basically, just for my own sanity, got into the habit of "okay, I'm either gonna read this right now or I'm gonna kick it over to some system by which I can save it for later, or that I can plow through later."
jessamyn:
Well, and what system? What system do you use?
churl:
I use a program called Pocket, but it's--
jessamyn:
Oh! I've heard good things about Pocket!
churl:
It's similar to Instapaper or other "read it later" services, that it can just kind of collect that stuff for you, and then you can tag it--and just later, when you're, "Oh, I'm in bed, I can pull out the iPad, I can open up Pocket" and just say
"Here's all the things I was gonna get to today or in the last week that I wanted to read," and I find it pretty useful, because yeah, I hate tab clutter, but I also hate closing something and just saying goodbye, because I will never find it again.
jessamyn:
Sure.
churl:
So that was my compromise, for whatever that's worth.
not_on_display:
I'm fine with tab clutter.
churl:
[laughs] Okay.
not_on_display:
It works for me.
jessamyn:
No. Discipline. No discipline.
cortex:
[laughs]
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Resistor, "Uni"
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Resistor, "Uni"
churl:
I have my favorite link of the month, if you guys--
cortex:
Bring it!
churl:
...want one from me.
jessamyn:
Of course!
churl:
This was a 20-minute, 25-minute video put together by Vice, about a guy--posted by brundlefly, the amazing brundlefly!
jessamyn:
Nice. Thank you.
churl:
I do have names next to these links on my notes, I promise, I just blew it on that one. Vice put together this little short documentary on
Phil Tippett, who is a stop-motion animator and special effects guy, who is responsible for way more than you ever thought one guy would've been, but the tauntaun and AT-AT in Star Wars--many, many Star Wars things to his credit--he worked on the series. The ED-209 robot in Robocop, and vatrious other things... the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park came from tech and work that he did.
jessamyn:
[enunciating] taun-tauns.
not_on_display:
Oh, wow. This looks good.
jessamyn:
Yeah! This looks great!
churl:
And he's a great personality, he had a Kickstarter 6 or 8 months ago for a new project he was just doing completely on his own called "Mad God" that was *great*, he's putting together these stop-motion animated short films in the old style when you had to do everything the slow, hard way--which I really love and respect--but he himself is a great interview subject. He reminds of, there was that short documentary piece on Maurice Sendak called "Tell Them Anything You Want"--
cortex:
Oh, yeah yeah.
jessamyn:
Right, yeah yeah yeah.
not_on_display:
mm-hmm.
churl:
Phil Tippett reminds me a little bit of that. Not quite as wonderfully cranky, Crankysaurus Rex, but--
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
...similarly kinda like, "no bullshit" kinda guy, and so that made this a really fun watch too, even above and beyond just the kinda geeky techie, "how did they do it?", "oh my God that's so much work," "oh my God those little models are so amazing to look at" aspect.
not_on_display:
Oh yeah, the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston, about 15 years ago they had
an exhibit about Wallace and Gromit, and it was just fascinating, seeing how detailed and how painstaking the whole process was. You don't even think about it when you're watching something that's stop-motion animated so well, and I like seeing when it's picked apart and just, the magic...
churl:
Yes! It really mind-blowing.
jessamyn:
And watching people do it! I like watching stop-motion films...
not_on_display:
Stop-motion, yeah yeah.
jessamyn:
...of stop-motion animators.
not_on_display:
Yes, like time-lapse.
jessamyn:
Time-lapse, yeah yeah yeah! [laughs]
churl:
Yeah.
not_on_display:
Time-lapse anything for me, though, you know. I just got an iPhone 4S, I'm way behind the curve, but I found that it had a time-lapse function and it just took my attention away from everything else for a long time.
jessamyn:
That would be Matt Haughey's old iPhone 4S. [laughs]
not_on_display:
Oh, yes!
cortex:
Oh, the chain of hand-me-downs.
jessamyn:
...which I asked for on Twitter, and he was like, "Oh, I must have one in a drawer somewhere." And of course, I have his old iPhone 5. [laughs]
cortex:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
Kinda smells like Matt Haughey...hmm...
jessamyn:
Grandpa Matt.
not_on_display:
[chuckles]
cortex:
Stocking stuffers. Oh, you know, a quick callback since we were talking about both coloring books *and* Dune... I also liked this post about, from ricochet biscuit, made a post about the Dune coloring book! Which I did not realize--I had seen a couple of images from this thing, I don't know, in the last year or so--
jessamyn:
Oh, *God!*
cortex:
But I had assumed that someone was, "You know what'd be funny? What if there was like, a totally age-inappropriate Dune coloring book?"
and so had drawn up some images of stills from the movie, like, as if it was in a coloring book. And I was like, "Oh, it's a pretty good joke!" *No.* This thing apparently actually fucking existed in 1984.
not_on_display:
Wow.
churl:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
This is also on Kitchen Overlord!
not_on_display:
That is awesome.
churl:
Wow.
cortex:
So yes, I just--I'm fucking amazed, and it's remarkable that this existed, and that's all. I just wanted to throw that in there real quick.
not_on_display:
Maybe this is my gateway into Dune!
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
Maybe, maybe.
not_on_display:
A coloring book!
SFX:
[all laugh]
jessamyn:
Whoa, there's Dune postcards with a giant sandworm.
cortex:
That's pretty rad.
churl:
On Josh's watch, Metafilter just slowly turns into a Kitchen Overlord Dune indexing site.
cortex:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Worse things could happen, right?
churl:
Yeah!
cortex:
My subtle influence. Wheels within wheels within wheels.
jessamyn:
So I wanted to give a shout-out to one post that was a well-put-together post that turned into a very short thread, but I thought was great,
was flex's post on the notion of holding space. I know that on Metafilter we've been talking a lot for the last couple months about the concept of emotional labor--who does the sort of heavy lifting emotionally in your various human relationships--but this is kind of another concept about, sort of, helping people out with their emotions in a different way, where you give a person the room they need to deal with whatever they're dealing with emotionally, and that's kind of almost a doula, or a midwife,
for people's emotions when they're grappling with stuff that's complicated. And I'd never really heard of this concept before, and flex kind of spelled it out, and then there was kind of a short, useful thread about it that I thought was really good.
cortex:
That's nice! I wanna go back and read this. I *literally* had the same reaction as somebody who had a deleted comment in the thread, that oh, I totally saw this in passing and misjudged[??] it as being "this is gonna be a 400-comment argument about whether or not you can hold a parking space!"
jessamyn:
Holding somebody's space in line. Ha-ha!
SFX:
[all laugh]
cortex:
So I'm glad that I was wrong! But yeah, no, I'll have to go back and read this. That looks nice.
jessamyn:
Yeah! I just thought it was a really well-done post, and everyone should know about it!
cortex:
In a similarly meaningful and human-worth-enabling fashion, I really liked this post about photoshopping John Travolta in Pulp Fiction into various animated gifs.
jessamyn:
Ahhhh! This was a fun meme from last month!
not_on_display:
Lemme see this...
cortex:
Yes. This is definitely something I saw--
churl:
Yeah, this one had legs for me, I thought, yeah.
not_on_display:
Oh yeah, this.
jessamyn:
Jim, have you seen this?
not_on_display:
This is cool. I like it already.
[laughs]
cortex:
I saw this popping up on--
jessamyn:
Have you seen these, like, hitting MLKSHK and stuff like that? God, they're funny.
not_on_display:
No, no, I haven't seen these, but... I'm already a big fan. I'm just looking at them.
jessamyn:
Yes.
cortex:
Yeah. For anybody who hasn't seen these and doesn't know what we're talking about, John Travolta at one point in Pulp Fiction is in a room and sort of looking around confusedly. And someone took that, like, shopped it out of--all the background out--and then just put this on an image, and then various other images,
and it just sort of cascades. So you've just got Vincent Vega looking confused in a wide variety of places--
not_on_display:
[laughs] And it's just--
cortex:
And it's just fantastic!
not_on_display:
And it's incidental to the actual stuff going on in the scene. It's just like, "oh, there's this guy who looks a little confused and he's turning to the side!"
cortex:
Yeah. It's the "Christ, what an asshole" of Photoshopping in something to a picture, 'cause it works everywhere *because* it's just--it requires no context.
not_on_display:
The Shining one is great. Yes.
jessamyn:
They're all just...lovely.
not_on_display:
Oh my God, this...hahaha! Take On Me.
cortex:
I really enjoyed that.
not_on_display:
A-haaa! That's great.
cortex:
Very much what the Internet is for.
not_on_display:
Totally.
jessamyn:
Yes. By entropicamericana.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
Also, I wanna--
not_on_display:
Or is it EN-tropic?
cortex:
I don't usually post threads that I just *didn't* like, but uh...
jessamyn:
I don't know, EN-tropic?
cortex:
Oh. I assumed... enTROPic?
jessamyn:
I dunno!
cortex:
Yeah, I dunno. Uh...draygin? I think it's draygin?
jessamyn:
Ehhhhhh...
not_on_display:
[snickers]
cortex:
I did not particularly enjoy this thread, but I had to moderate it, and I thought it was kinda
funny in the way I didn't enjoy it? Uh... Star Wars came out! Which means that we should definitely have an incredibly tedious argument about Star Trek instead on the...
jessamyn:
Haa-haaaa-haaaa!
cortex:
So if you're kinda curious about a... I don't know, there's interesting stuff being said. It's also just like, kinda Internet nerds being Internet nerds, and to some extent Star Trek nerds being Star Trek nerds, but I guess if you're specifically in the mood to maybe be a little bit annoyed at people collectively discussing Star Trek--
jessamyn:
Can you tell me what happened here so I don't have to read any of this distasteful stuff?
churl-and-not_on_display:
[laugh]
cortex:
Well, the lede pretty much gets it. There's a fan Star Trek movie.
jessamyn:
But who are we rooting for?
cortex:
I'm not sure! I mean, you're kinda underdog rooting for the fans, making a fan project, but if you read into it, they raised like a million bucks and then spent some of it on, like, salaries for the people producing the thing--and that's kinda weird for like, a, just fan for love--so it's a weird thing where we're not--
jessamyn:
But aren't they supposed to get paid if they're making a thing? No?
cortex:
Well, yeah, but not if you're making it with Star Trek's IP is the theory, so...basically, they got legal heavies from Paramount and CBS--
jessamyn:
Oh, I see.
cortex:
...are like, hey, you can't fucking do that. But they're doing it, like, right at the tail end of this long drawn-out process, so *that's* kinda fuckery...
not_on_display:
Yeah, like, "oh, we spent all this time--"
cortex:
You know, even aside from general IP--
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
Yeah, nobody comes out of this looking particularly great--
jessamyn:
And the thread was a pain in the ass too, is that what you're saying?
cortex:
And then the thread was like--yeah, yeah. But at the same time, it's kinda--it's sort of an interesting slice of Internet humanity, I guess.
not_on_display:
So who won this one? The moderators.
j:HAH!
cortex:
I guess.
jessamyn:
Or who lost? The moderators.
cortex:
Yeah. But anyway, it was sort of interesting. I have a better one. I have one that I actually liked much better. Let me just wash the taste out of my mouth of having sort of badmouthed a post for some reason... "Mariah Carey + MIDI + MP3 = Xmas Insanity" is the title--
not_on_display:
errr?
jessamyn:
I have a tip for you, Jim. You can actually listen to all these things while Josh is kinda talking about 'em?
not_on_display:
Yeah no, I'm--
jessamyn:
And we won't hear 'em on Skype.
not_on_display:
No, I've been doing that, thank you.
jessamyn:
OK, good good.
cortex:
Yeah. So this is a post by overeducated_alligator about something that someone did, and then I saw this 'cause Waxy--Andy Baio--picked it up.
not_on_display:
Oh!
cortex:
You can take a song, and stick it into a MIDI converter, and it'll try and convert just to MIDI notes.
not_on_display:
I did this many, many years ago--it was one of the first things I downloaded onto a PC when I finally got one that could handle mp3s and MIDI.
jessamyn:
[chuckles]
not_on_display:
And I did so--
you know, I took Captain Beefheart and transcribed it into MIDI. I took whatever I could scrape off the Internet that a 56K modem would allow me the time too, and turned it into MIDI, and it was fascinating the way it does it, because it combines the notes just in such rapid succession, that your ear kind of hears like, you know--hears it all as a unit, rather than each individual note.
cortex:
Yeah, you get these crazy clumps of notes in like, super rapid glissandos and arpeggios--
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
...that create these sort of overlapping harmonics that sort of reproduce the harmonics of the actual, more complicated waveform.
jessamyn:
Right, right, right.
cortex:
And so it kind of works! And it's really interesting--you know, there's some good examples linked in the post, and Waxy linked to some good stuff, but it ends up being something where, if you know the words to a song and you listen to this thing, this thing is simultaneously totally weird piano cacaphony, AND you can fuckin' sing along with it.
not_on_display:
You can *hear* the words.
jessamyn:
Wait. Ca-CAAAH-phony?
not_on_display:
Ca-coff-any.
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
ca-caaah-phony, ca-coff-any? That one I don't even have a strong sense of.
jessamyn:
Jesse?
churl:
ca-coff-any, I think.
not_on_display:
Cocoa-fanny!
churl:
Yeah! [laughs]
cortex:
cah-cup-HHHHON-ee.
not_on_display:
hhhhahhhh.
cortex:
It's a hard p!
churl:
I'm not gonna stick my entire reputation on it, but ca-coff-any, I feel pretty sure.
cortex:
Caco--caco demon? Caco demon? I think--
churl:
That one I never knew.
jessamyn:
pshh--what?
not_on_display:
Dragophony. Dragophony.
cortex:
Yeah, yeah. Dray-gunphony. Dray-gunphony. DRAYgunphy.
not_on_display:
So yeah, this is cool. Now it makes me wanna go find
cortex:
Yeah!
not_on_display:
Like, an mp3-to-MIDI converter and just fuck around all night with that.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
Yeah, there's a couple links in there, two tools you can do with it, and I spent--I lost three or four hours just plugging stuff in.
not_on_display:
Yeah.
cortex:
I was like, "uhhhh...this is, this is--"
not_on_display:
"What will *this* sound like?"
cortex:
Most of it was super dumb, but it was great!
not_on_display:
"What would somebody farting sound like on a piano?!"
cortex:
[wheezing laugh] I did not think to try that.
not_on_display:
It's the first thing I think of.
churl:
Josh, you've changed.
cortex:
Yeah, I know, I know. What happened to me? This whole responsibility, this being in charge of a business thing is fucked up.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
cortex:
I don't even recognize myself. I look in the mirror and I see a responsible adult. It's terrifying.
jessamyn:
With a haircut!
cortex:
Yeah, I know.
jessamyn:
I know.
not_on_display:
You got a haircut?
cortex:
Yeah.
jessamyn:
Well...
cortex:
Well, it wasn't like a meaningful haircut, I just had left it getting longer, and I was like, "I should get it short again."
not_on_display:
Oh, okay.
cortex:
And then, yeah.
not_on_display:
I remember the first time you cut your hair, it was like, ohhh, hey! wow!
cortex:
Yeah, well, I think I shaved it off, so I couldn't go any more extreme--
not_on_display:
Oh, right!
cortex:
...if I were singing--ahh, I'm not gonna make that joke.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
"Balls to the Wall?" Where are you going with this?
cortex:
No, that, that--I think it was "Extreme," that acoustic duet?
not_on_display:
Extreme. Yes.
cortex:
[sings]"mmm, I love you--" Which is... kinda date-rapey?
not_on_display:
More Than This, or More Than Words, or something.
cortex:
More Than Words.
not_on_display:
More Than Words, yeah.
cortex:
But then I was like, "Do I really just wanna like, slide into a date-rape joke here?" But now we're talking about it, and I don't know.
not_on_display:
No, you don't.
jessamyn:
Ah, the answer to that is "Always no."
cortex:
Well, that's what I'm saying! I was trying to, but now--aaah, yeah, anyway. That song is very pretty and also *terrible.*
jessamyn:
But wait, Jim--who's the metal band that does Balls to the Wall?
not_on_display:
Oh, that's Accept.
jessamyn:
Accept?
nod:Accept. The one with Udo Dirkschneider as their lead singer.
Oh! And Extreme is from Malden, Massachusetts!
not_on_display:
Extreme's from Malden, yeah. They're all Portuguese immigrants, like Bettencourts and stuff like that. Yeah.
jessamyn:
Faaaascinating. Okay. Accept. Thank you.
not_on_display:
Yes, Accept is "BALLS TO THE WALL MAAAAN."
jessamyn:
arrrrg.
not_on_display:
[chuckles]
cortex:
We shouldn't discuss this tangent *INXS*, though.
not_on_display:
...In excess?
cortex:
Yeah, I dunno, it's just sort of a similar name...
not_on_display:
Oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. I took you seriously again, Josh!
churl:
Josh, there's a band called INXS, didja know that?
cortex:
Oh my gosh that's amazing! That fits so well! Uh, should we talk about AskMetafilter, maybe? Or did anybody else have another big favorite they wanted to...
not_on_display:
Yeah, I've got--
ch:I have a few more if we have time for 'em.
cortex:
Do it.
not_on_display:
And then I'll go after you.
churl:
This one's just fun.
cortex:
We've got all the time in the world.
jessamyn:
What?!
cortex:
[laughs] Jess and Jim--you know, this is a 4-J podcast, I should say, by the way.
jessamyn:
Heyyyy!
cortex:
We've got Jess--
not_on_display:
Nice!
cortex:
...Jesse, Jim, and Josh!
not_on_display:
Fuck all the other letters, right? Right guys?
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
Yeah, seriously. The rest of the alphabet is *shit.*
jessamyn:
Right, fuck all the other letters! That's gotta be the name of the podcast!
cortex:
I'll make a note right now.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
Good Lord, Jesse, what is this link?
churl:
[laughs] It's--I liked it so much, it's a semi-straight-faced take on a restaurant review of Senor Frog's which is some kind of nightmarish Spring Breaky restaurant in Times Square, as reviewed by a
professional New York Times restaurant reviewer.
not_on_display:
Frog-asm. "I was having my second frogasm of the night."
churl:
And, um--[laughs]
nod:I love it already.
And it reminded me--I mean, it's a little "David Foster Wallace going on a cruise" type of writing, which I really have a lot of fun with.
jessamyn:
Sure.
churl:
But it also reminded me of my favorite piece of writing in all of 2014, which was Caity Weaver on Gawker reviewing the TGIFriday's endless appetizers.
cortex:
[laughs] Yes...
jessamyn:
Ohhh! You know, that was a really good article.
churl:
Which is, I don't think there was a better piece of writing the whole year.
So this kind of hearkened back to that for me, and it was just a really delightful read.
not_on_display:
This makes me want to go back to the thread where the New York mefites had a meetup. They went to Guy Fieri's restaurant. I wanna read that again.
cortex:
Oh! [laughs] Flavortown, yes.
jessamyn:
Yes.
churl:
Yeah, it's a lot like that, yeah. That was a good thread.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
We don't do a section on IRL though, do we?
cortex:
Not really.
jessamyn:
We do not.
cortex:
If you have something to mention, you can, but...
churl:
Typically wouldn't make sense.
cortex:
Yeah, it's be sort of weird to just go like--
not_on_display:
Shout-out to my trivia people!
jessamyn:
Wooo@
cortex:
I mean, I guess I--
not_on_display:
Taters, Taters in Boston!
jessamyn:
Shout-out to my online trivia people!
cortex:
We had a meetup the other day at a nice Mexican-and-other-Latin-food, food-cart-pod-building-structure called Portland Mercado, 'cause bibiogrrl and baniak were in town from Chicago.
jessamyn:
Oh, neat!
cortex:
And also skwirl was in town from the DC area, I believe. s-k-w-i-r-l.
jessamyn:
Yeah yeah yeah, that's a nice crowd!
cortex:
Yeah, and then some local folks. And also a couple non-mefites who I'd actually met already before at a barbecue at mrzarquon's house because he knew them, and then they also were from Chicago, so they knew bibliogrrl and baniak, and so yeah, it was an excellent--
jessamyn:
We were so close to having mrzarquon and ColdChef up for Christmas!
cortex:
Oh, that would've been great.
not_on_display:
What?! That would've been cool!
jessamyn:
Yes.
not_on_display:
You never told me about that. Ooh.
jessamyn:
Well, because GJ was alone for Christmas, and Kate and I were like, you need to come up here!
jessamyn:
And he was like, "Oh, maybe."
not_on_display:
GJ sending Tweets to your sister.
jessamyn:
And then mrzarquon was like "I'll drive you up!" from Connecticut--'cause he's there visiting his family--but it didn't come together. So I didn't wanna get your hopes up.
not_on_display:
Oh, he sent your sister a memorable, uh... what is it, SnapChat, or Tweet that he sent her?
jessamyn:
A...text.
not_on_display:
Text, ok, yes. That made my Christmas, I didn't need him to come up after all, but...
jessamyn:
I never saw it.
not_on_display:
I didn't either.
jessamyn:
Yep.
not_on_display:
I just heard about it.
cortex:
Well, it was certainly memorable!
not_on_display:
Yes.
jessamyn:
It was very memorable. I don't even think we're gonna talk about it.
not_on_display:
We're not. We're not. I'm sorry I even mentioned it. Sorry.
jessamyn:
You should be.
not_on_display:
You can edit this out in "post."
cortex:
No--
jessamyn:
You don't have to edit it.
cortex:
I'm not gonna. I don't ever.
not_on_display:
*They'll* know what you're talking about.
jessamyn:
He knows what he did.
not_on_display:
Yes.
cortex:
Jesse--did you have a couple others, Jesse, that you wanted to mention before we move on?
churl:
Yeah, I do. The Senor Frog's review was by valkane, by the way--so, give credit--
jessamyn:
Thank you.
churl:
...to the user valkane, who posted it.
churl:
This, I don't know if this one, is... a Clickhole link.
cortex:
[laughs]
churl:
Clickhole asks "What does it mean to be a man?" Clickhole just, for some reason hits the nail on the head every time they do a send-up of one of these Buzzfeedy-style clickbait videos or listicles or whatever. They're just always so dead-on, and this one, I thought, was a good example of it. This is a post by schmod, and it's just a video of men with dramatic music, talking about how difficult it is to be a man, and I cannot summon any specific jokes from it.
right now, 'cause I can't recall them, but, really watch it.
cortex:
But if people watched it, they would laugh because it was funny, is what you're saying.
churl:
Yes. That's what I'm getting at here.
cortex:
I feel like a little bit of you and me--I feel like I'm being slightly more of a slightly sarcastic dick than I would normally be on the podcast to you, because we podcast elsewhere... and I just want to acknowledge that, and sort of apologize, but not really?
churl:
Sure.
jessamyn:
I haven't noticed.
cortex:
Okay. Maybe it's mostly in my head, so that's--
churl:
No, you're just usually a dick, so I guess this is like, par for the course.
cortex:
Ahhh, right, ok, yeah.
jessamyn:
Maybe that's just how you are.
cortex:
Maybe, maybe. It's the truth of the world. The scales have fallen from my eyes.
not_on_display:
I was told--
jessamyn:
It's the beer talkin'.
cortex:
Yes.
not_on_display:
I was told not to gang up on Jessamyn.
cortex:
That one beer has really turned me mean!
churl:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
You're not allowed to talk about not ganging up on me, either. You just hafta not do it and be quiet.
not_on_display:
Argh!
cortex:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
I did everything I said out of this podcast, Josh.
jessamyn:
[laughs]
churl:
I just see you all as allies against Josh, so it's...
jessamyn:
Hah!
churl:
I have a problem with Clickhole, I mean, I can imagine Clickhole getting to the point where we kinda got
so many years ago with Onion links--
jessamyn:
Onion links!
churl:
...where it's just like, you just don't have to link every one. Sure, they're all great, but we all know what The Onion is. So unless one is--
cortex:
Like, super.
churl:
...special for a different reason, we can kinda put it to bet, but I'm glad we're not quite there with Clickhole yet, because Clickhole just does it for me, really, a lot.
jessamyn:
Well, and I think Clickhole still gets people every now and again, whereas I don't think The Onion does as much anymore.
churl:
Right.
jessamyn:
Like, I think people will occasionally read a Clickhole thing and be like, "Oh God, that's real" for you know, half a minute.
cortex:
It's a little more straight-faced, is part of it, which is interesting.
And like, this is--I don't spend a ton of time on Facebook, but one of the things I do do on Facebook, is--[chuckles] I said doo-doo.
jessamyn:
You said doo-doo.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
Oh Jesus, I'm sorry everybody.
jessamyn:
[snorts]
cortex:
One of the things I do on--
jessamyn:
You are so *not sorry*
churl:
[laughs]
cortex:
Well...yes... I'm finger-quote sorry.
not_on_display:
Embrace it. *Embrace it*, Josh.
cortex:
There's a coupla neighborhood Facebook groups that I check in on for my local neighborhood, and it's kinda useful to remind myself that the Internet is *very* different in a lot of places than Metafilter,
'cause Metafilter is *so* much a part of my life, and so much my default home base.
jessamyn:
Right.
cortex:
And so I'll see the same stuff that makes for difficult, or occasionally blessedly not-so-difficult discussions on Metafilter, make for *really* difficult discussions among random people in my neighborhood.
jessamyn:
YES.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
Which is always--and I'm like, "Oh, I don't work here--I don't have to care how badly this conversation's going, 'cause I'm not getting paid to moderate it, no one would care if I tried--
you know, I'll confine it to every once in awhile hollering at someone who *really* needs a hollering at, and that'll just be a personal level of hollering."
not_on_display:
No, I feel kinda sheltered because I use Metafilter as my portal into the rest of the web, and when I see conversations elsewhere, I'm just like "Oh! Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'm going back to Metafilter."
SFX:
[all laugh]
cortex:
But the thing is, every once in awhile, Clickhole will show up there. And it's an even mix of people who get what's going on there, and people who are outraged at this *unbelievable* thing that--of course it's unbelievable,
it's fucking made up, but it's weird realizing "oh no, no, people who are not spending way too much time overthinking the nature of parodies of--"
jessamyn:
Right, it's not a foregone conclusion for people who aren't having--
cortex:
Yeah. Yeah!
jessamyn:
...202-level conversations about gender and race in the first place.
cortex:
Yeah, so if it's catching you blind, then of course it can fuckin' gull people, and that's kinda half the reason for it, so...
churl:
I totally have the opposite problem with Clickhole, and it's--
'cause I, on my Facebook page, I follow Clickhole just to get a little influx of--a little bit of lightness in my dour, miserable Facebook page, that's all the shitty, horrible mass shootings and whatever, and you know, whatever inane fun stuff people like to post on their Facebook and whatever. And because Facebook so aggressively tries to curate what it thinks you want to see, based on what you scroll past vs. what you click, within one month my whole Facebook wall, I log into Facebook,
and it's just Clickhole, Clickhole, Clickhole, Clickhole--
cortex:
[laughs]
churl:
and then one real news article, and as I go through it, I'll just assume it's yet another satirical take on how shitty the Internet news is, or these Buzzfeedy-style things, and then I'll have to catch myself, "oh wait, that's a real one, that's not satire, it's just really that bad."
cortex:
It's a problem.
churl:
It's a problem. [chuckles]
cortex:
I had that problem actually. I had a sort of similar problem with sponsored tweets. When I do actually use the Twitter app itself, I've got sponsored tweets littered through there, and the thing is, every time I come across one, it takes me a couple seconds to realize this isn't just someone who's *really* shitty at jokes.
jessamyn:
Oh, God, exactly!
cortex:
Like, I'm like, "But that's not, that's not fu--oh, that's 'cause you're a fuckin corporate entity. Ohhh, okay!"
not_on_display:
[laughs]
cortex:
"That was supposed to be an actual thing."
jessamyn:
It's because this went through 7 committees before it even made it here in the first place.
cortex:
Yeah, it's disorienting.
not_on_display:
And then you find yourself really trying to
deconstruct it, "Do I get this?"
cortex:
Yeah, which I think speaks to how much my Twitter feed consists of people whose sense of humor I like.
jessamyn:
Right.
cortex:
That then, it turns out that Pepsi is not one of those people.
jessamyn:
[laughs] You're like, "What are they doing there?"
cortex:
Well, should we move on to AskMetafilter now?
jessamyn:
You bet.
not_on_display:
I have, yeah, I have a good segue from this to AskMetafilter.
cortex:
Oh, I'm excited! I'm excited.
jessamyn:
All right. All right! All right!
not_on_display:
So, uh...here's, uh...okay.
jessamyn:
GO!
cortex-and-not_on_display:
[laugh]
cortex:
We need to have more couples on the podcast.
not_on_display:
O-kay. Are... we... ready?
jessamyn:
More couples! Let's get secretariat on.
not_on_display:
Yeah!
cortex:
I can ask her. She may have the good sense to not get--
SFX:
[all laugh]
not_on_display:
[???]
churl:
Yeah, it'd be great to get her on. You guys should.
SFX:
aegispolis, "I Got You Babe"
SFX:
ageispolis, "I Got You Babe"
churl:
So, "Smoky but safe props," it was basically, "I need to find a way to mimic or craft a round cartoon bomb. How?" I clicked on this expecting people saying "oh, you'll want to do this or that," and it does get into that, but
churl:
it led me to this person who was--it's triple-a anastasia--
jessamyn:
triple-a anastasia.
churl:
Well, it's just spelled a-a-a-nastasia. And she recreates every Swedish Chef sketch from the puppet show live. And she's trying to--
not_on_display:
[laughs]
churl:
So then, I clicked from there to a comment a little bit further down where it points to her Projects page, and the MeFi post about that project,
and let me get you guys that link location...
jessamyn:
I got it.
churl:
Yeah, so, and it was just fascinating. I'm so glad that she is doing this. It's exactly what the Internet is made for. When I watch--
jessamyn:
At borkborkbork.io!
churl:
Oh, man.
cortex:
[laughs]
churl:
When I went to "broadcasting school," in big quotes, I didn't really think that the democratization of creativity
would happen as it did, but I'm so glad the way it's turning out, and this is a sheerly joyful way in which it's manifesting itself, as somebody recreating live all the Swedish Chef sketches. So.
jessamyn:
I had exactly the same level of delight when I clicked through and read this. Like, "oh, make a cartoon bomb, whatever." And then I was like, "WHAT?!?!"
churl:
Exactly.
jessamyn:
"WHAT?!?!"
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jessamyn:
Yes. Super delightful.
not_on_display:
So I'll tell everybody, click through to the actual projects in the mefi post, because it is a Work Of Art.
jessamyn:
Agreed. Agreed.
not_on_display:
And love.
jessamyn:
I used Ask Metafilter this month, to help me understand why the pair of reading glasses-
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
-that I've started to use that are around my house have numbers on the inside that don't seem to match reading glasses strengths, and I wanted to buy reading glasses from Zenni Optical, thanks to
Jim who got me a gift certificate so I could get more than one pair. But I couldn't figure it out, Ask Metafilter figured it out for me in roughly 10 minutes.
cortex:
Yay!
not_on_display:
Jessamyn has been wanting glasses, it's almost like you're wishing for bad eyesight. And I'm like, no. You don't want bad eyesight. Look at my glasses.
jessamyn:
Everyone in my family has always had glasses.
not_on_display:
And you're the only one out-
jessamyn:
And I had perfect vision until last month.
not_on_display:
And you think glasses are cool. Which, you know, they are cool.
jessamyn:
They are cool. In my profession.
not_on_display:
Yeah, totally. They totally amp your librarian nerd coolness index-
jessamyn:
Amp it!
not_on_display:
-like, just up-
jessamyn:
Amp it!!
not_on_display:
-you're on eleven. [laughs]
jessamyn:
Amped!
not_on_display:
Your knob's up to eleven. With the new glasses.
jessamyn:
But I couldn't figure it out! 'Cause I have these old Bausch + Lomb kind of heavy black frames, but the only numbers they had on them were these numbers that didn't make any sense.
not_on_display:
[laughs]
jessamyn:
And so it turns out that old glasses came with the measurements written right on the frame. So they're four and a half inches wide, not 450, you know, strength.
not_on_display:
I'm so glad that you asked this, too, because we had a conversation before, where I'm like "that just doesn't sound right. I remember you tested yourself at something completely different." And you were thinking, well, this works for me. And I was, like, ok.
jessamyn:
And I was like, I want to buy the glasses *right now*! I love these glasses!
cortex:
[laughs]
not_on_display:
I would dig into this a little bit more. I don't really have, you know, I didn't have a scientific explanation as to why-
cortex:
this little bit more. I don't really have, you know, I didn't have a scientific explanation as to why I just felt like, that just doesn't sound right. In my, you know, glasses buying experience, that you would test one way and then what makes you see better is something completely different.
jessamyn:
But I've never, like, bought glasses before so
cortex:
Right
jessamyn:
So I didn't really understand any of this stuff and I was like maybe there's like a thing, who knows!
cortex:
Yeah and I didn't have the language to really explain why I was skeptical, so
jessamyn:
Yeah!
cortex:
it was like one of those things like yeah why don't you do Ask MetaFilter on this one. (laughs)
jessamyn:
And they straightened my shit right out, thanks Ask MetaFilter!
cortex:
Yaay!
churl:
Now, skimming through the front page posts from December, I found stonersloth.
cortex:
(laughs)
churl:
And I was like, that's me on this podcast.
cortex:
Jesse,
churl:
Ultra slow motion.
cortex:
you're still asleep, Jesse. It's time to wake up! You have to go to work, Jesse!
churl:
Noo!
not_on_display:
(crosstalk)
churl:
The nightmares are real, and there's a weird guy's face floating in front of it. And there's blue paint being rolled across it with a paint roller.
cortex:
(laughs)
jessamyn:
Aaah!
cortex:
Good night, everybody.
jessamyn:
I thought we were having a nice time.
cortex:
We are.
churl:
Nope, just a terrible dream.
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